Accommodating Islam in Bible translations

Just came across this over at American Thinker:

Recently, Christian Bible translators considered changes that would make Christian scriptures more palatable to Muslim audiences. Instead of “in the name of the Father,” they put forth the phrase “in the name of Allah.” “Baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and the Holy Spirit” was reformulated as “Cleanse them in the name of Allah, his Messiah, and his Holy Spirit.” In addition, Isa a prophet of Allah in the Koran who is superseded by Mohammed, has been equated with Jesus in the Christian Bible. Of course, many Christians view this as blasphemy.

 

The push for biblical changes came in large part from Christian leaders of the “Insider Movement” who endeavor to reach Muslim communities by encouraging Muslims to embrace Christianity by “worshipping Jesus or Isa in the mosque.” This is an accommodation to enable Muslims to follow Jesus, yet not explicitly express Christian faith. The “Insider Movement” has been gaining steam for the past decade and advances the idea of the blending of faith rather than complete conversion to Christianity.

 

It remains to be seen if these modifications or conscious accommodations to Islam, created by proselytizing Christians, threaten the integrity of Christian beliefs. However, a more significant threat to Christianity has existed for years in the form of ongoing, aggressive interfaith activities spearheaded by Muslims who use this religious context to shield their ulterior motive: spreading the supremacy of Islam.

 

 

 

 

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15 Responses to Accommodating Islam in Bible translations

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  2. Ioannes says:

    These people are as Christian as Dan Brown is a Gospel Writer.

    These people are not Christians. Do you honestly follow the same religion as people who are ashamed of the Holy Trinity? Allah is God, yes. But without the Trinity, this “Allah” is a false god worshiped by a false religion.

    Let those who love God and his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, witness to Him, though it may bring earthly death and eternal life!

    Death to Syncretism! 👊

  3. EPMS says:

    I realise that this is a self-described “blog about foolish things” but it has functioned as a clearing-house for Ordinariate news and particularly Canadian items thereof. So I am surprised that this article, which puts forward the fringe ideas of some unidentified “Christian Bible translators” and whose only purpose seems to be to get people like Ioannes in a froth, while leaving us to scrounge elsewhere for udates on, say, priestly ordinations in Victoria, Fr Kenyon’s visit to Vancouver, the fate of St John the Evangelist in the recent flood, the TAUS membership drive, etc.

    • Ioannes says:

      Everything seems to have died down after the whole “Oh, we’re not gonna have busloads of new Catholics after all” And what Ordinariate news we have are generally quiet and sparse but still good news.

    • Ioannes says:

      I thought there would have been an “Ordinariate Network” established by now, like forums such as Fisheaters.com for Traditionalists, Byzcath.org for Byzantine/Greek Catholics, and so forth.

      It would be a better sort of hub for Ordinariate news than so-and-so’s blog that gets updated only sporadically. Bloggers wouldn’t be pressured to keep updating, because there’s always someone with some news to share. And there would be a wider range of topics for discussion. It won’t depend on a post-by-post basis in a blog or two.

      So, for example, while we’re waiting for the status of such-and-such community from a statement released from the Ordinariate office, people like Mrs. Gyapong could relate their own spiritual pursuits in the meantime and others could contribute or read, and so forth.

      It can get people to talk to each other. And hopefully, they would have moderators to keep people like myself in line.

      • EPMS says:

        A “clearinghouse” still needs items to clear, however. “Ordinariate Portal” was a great source while OOLW was regularly mentioned in UK newspapers, but those days, and “Ordinariate Portal” , are gone. The monthly Portal magazine does not attempt to be a comprehensive update on developments. None of the three current Ordinariates has allocated the resources to put out timely or consistent updates on the web. So we are left with blogs, like this one, “The Anglican Use of the Roman Rite” , Mr. Nicholls’ new efforts, and others. These have the faults and virtues of their moderators, and however few the former and great the latter, impose considerable burdens, not the least of which must be the sense that those in authority are allowing you to be a publicist and spokesperson without offering any assistance or guidance, except when you do something they don’t like, in which case you get guidance PDQ. I had to laugh when the OOLSC had a professionally created coat of arms at least two months before it had even a partially functioning website. That is the thinking of the generation currently in charge, it seems to me. Communication is not a frill, it is the essence of evangelism, and communication in the 21stC means professionally maintained websites and the use of social media.

      • Ioannes says:

        Oh, I was talking more about format than the topic of what to talk about.

        Outside the Ordinariates themselves, what can people talk about in a manner that is easier to follow than in “blog-hopping”? A way to gather all these bloggers into a single online community that can, for example, discuss the “Anglican Patrimony” rather than having a singular monologue in the form of a blog post. I remember The Anglo-Catholic blog run by Mr. Christian Clay Columba Campbell (what an alliterative name, I just noticed!) as having been a hot-spot of sorts, and it has died down now.

        Maybe a sort of forum where Ordinariate members can gather wouldn’t need the permission of the Ordinaries to be established, it’s just a sort of hub for discussion of almost anything- like the Ordinariate Portal, but instead of people just talking, they’d actually have a discussion. (Aren’t Ordinariate members somewhat scattered all over? What better way for people from UK, Australia, and North America to come together!) Problem is, regardless of the good intention of any “Ordinariate forum”, those discussions may degrade into a concentrated form of gossip, speculation, and other things that would trouble the Ordinariate hierarchy.

  4. A Parishioner of St Agatha's says:

    No, this article is of interest. There are those in the UK who would like to blend Islam and Christianity. Islam is constantly promoted on BBC radio which I find disturbing. In the meantime evidently the C of E is embracing paganism…we live in interesting times!

  5. Mourad says:

    It is important to remember that the Oxymoronic web publication “American Thinker” promotes the political agenda of the US far right, the wonderful people who brought you the proxy war with the USA in Afghanistan, the support of right wing dictatorships in various countries in Latin America (Galtieri, Pinochet, Mott et al), the Greek colonels, the Turkish military dicatorships, the Pakistani military dictatorship, and the likes of the Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussain, Hosni Mubarak and others of that human rights abusing genre – with entirely predictable consequences.

    Further, nearly every article posted by Ms Janet Levy has a sub-text. Just look at the titles of her archived posts on that site alone: Janet Levy – archived articles: The aim is to promote a fear and hatred of Islam. In other words hate speech. The article in question does just that and it should have come onto this site with an apposite health warning.

    There is no need to tinker with the English text of the bible to accommodate those whose mother tongue is Arabic. The full text in Arabic can be found just about anywhere in the Middle East or even in the USA. In fact, if one were to trouble to visit Detroit, Chicago or San Francisco, it would be entirely possible to attend Holy Mass in a fully Catholic Chaldean Rite Cathedral celebrated in Aramaic, the language spoken by Our Saviour. St Thomas Diocese – MI USA. Likewise in Toronto Good Shepherd Chaldean Church – Toronto

    Yes we have to guard against extremism. But fostering hatred on either side is the work of Satan.

    • Ioannes says:

      Glad to see you here, Mr. Mourad.

      I have no respect for the American “Far Right” either, but that is because to me, they’re dirty secular Freemason leftist Enlightenment neopagans. (That is to say, I don’t think you’d like my alternative, either)

      You can’t have real love without real hatred: Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it. It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.
      The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth. It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind. The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body; but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom.

      Real love involves real hatred:

      whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth. Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”; it is not a species of sloppy sentiment. Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God, which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.

      Islam is: 1. An evil philosophy. 2. In contest with the Truth- otherwise why are Muslims killing Christians in Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan, and elsewhere? 3. Is intolerable for it is false. Falsehood cannot mingle with Truth, unless that Truth is distorted through compromise, making it a half-truth, a partial-truth, like the mixing of white and black to produce gray, or even the mixing of white and gray to produce a lighter shade of gray- it is neither black nor white.

      “Christ” means “Anointed” and this implies kingship.

      Therefore, those who glad-hands with Muslims and makes an effort to dethrone Jesus Christ from His sovereign kingship over all of the Earth and put Him as “equals” with Mohammed or Buddha or other false teachers and idols, are those who have: 1. Lost the moral indignation to convert the infidels. 2. Equates Charity to complacency and inaction regarding the spread of Muslim errors and the distortion of Truth. 3. Lost the courage to pronounce to the Muslims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that Muhammad is a liar, the Qur’an is heretical, and His Church is the True Church, for He established only One, that Jesus Christ’s Passion, Death, and Resurrection are the ultimate expression of God’s love, and there is no further necessity for prophets for Jesus is the Word Incarnate; this does not save Muslims nor any lukewarm “Christian” souls for choosing to not be offensive rather than to be a witness to Jesus Christ and participate in His work and Passion and Death with the goal of bringing souls to Heaven.

      Jesus Christ was not politically correct. He would compromise neither with the Pharisees nor with the Romans, nor with the People, nor with the State, nor with the Temple and He died because of it. He was not born a Greek philosopher so that He could be palatable to the Gentiles, even though people like Arius portrayed Him as such. Certainly, Jesus is NOT a Muslim. Let us follow Him to Golgotha and be victorious over death and sin. Let us encourage others to follow Him, not by telling them they are good where they are, or rearranging the image of Jesus Christ and twisting the words of His Holy Evangelists and Apostles.

  6. Mourad says:

    Ioannes – Thanks for your welcome. Here are some thoughts on what you say.

    1. As you probably know, Dogmatic Constitutions are the most authoritative form of teaching in the Church. So we need to look at the e Dogmatic Constitution of the Church Lumen Gentium to find the proper Christian approach to Jews and Muslims and other non-Christians:-

    “16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128) Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.(19*) Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life.”

    You may care to re-read your post for consistency with that teaching. Then we might consider some practical matters:

    2. I remember once flying to a particular state in the Middle East on an aircraft flown by a pilot with a sense of humour. As the aircraft was on its final approach the pilot came on the cabin address and said words to this effect: “Ladies and gentlemen, we are about to land at xxxxx airport. The ground temperature is 38 degrees. The local time is GMT +3, so please put your watches forward 3 hours and back 300 years.”.

    3. According to the CIA World Fact Book which is useful for bean-counting matters, Christians represent 33.32% of the world population with Muslims at 22.01%. But the balance is shifting toward Islam for demographic and other reasons. So we are likely to share the planet with our Muslim brothers and sisters for the forseeable future.

    4. Yes, there are perversions of Islam which are extremely dangerous – That can also be said of some Christian sects and it is the West which was principally responsible for the Holocaust. If people are brainwashed into terrorism by evil men, so too can nominally Christian communities be seduced into abhorrent acts – genocide even.

    In Algiers, a city I know well, there is a Basilica called “Notre Dame d’Afrique” which has just been restored. Here is a video of the interior: YouTube – Notre Dame d’Afrique. You will see that over the High Altar there is an inscription: “Notre Dame d’Afrique, priez pour nous et pour les Musulmans”

    • Ioannes says:

      1. I do not agree with the naivete with which the Council fathers describe Islam: do these people even venture outside their churches or even read a book, and see only the things which make them similar to us, but turn a blind eye to the glaring errors with regards to Eschatology and Christology?

      If you ask a Muslim what their opinion is of the Holy Trinity, they accuse us of idolatry, of polytheism, for we have God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. And because they do believe Jesus Christ was a Prophet, of course they would say “He’s the son of God” in the same manner you and I are “sons of God”

      If I say that Arius was right about how he characterized Jesus Christ, I would still be wrong even if I called it a “Dogmatic Constitution” or even if the Arian creed states “Jesus Christ is God” but denies his consubstantiality with the Father: If, because I’m being “Charitable”, agree to whatever it is that Arius believed and asserted that his followers can go to heaven, I would’ve consented to polytheism for there would have been not One God, but two “Gods” for denying the consubstantiality of the Son with the Father, and I would be a Jehova’s Witness, not a Catholic. Do you believe that Jehova’s Witness will go to Heaven because of their worship of a strange god? Or in spite of it?

      Does God include in “His Plan of Salvation” those who refuse to believe in His Church’s Teachings? If this is so, then I should be comfortable in refusing to believe that teaching as outlined in the Dogmatic Constitution. But apparently, according to Pope Francis, even atheists are redeemed, regardless of their relationship to a God they don’t believe exists. So there’s NO clarity, and plenty of twisting by all sorts of “experts” as to “What The Council Really Meant” and frankly, I’m tired of it. The fruits of this sort of thing speak for themselves, and the tree that brought it about ought to be destroyed and turned to kindling.

      There’s a reason why Muslims are Muslims, and Catholics are Catholics; when things like what you quoted on the Dogmatic Constitution are constantly preached from the pulpit, please don’t be surprised when no one goes to church anymore, and mosques are getting larger by the year. While we’re busy trying to avoid any accusations of anti-semitism by glad-handing with the people we ought to be converting, Muslims know which religion is #1: and it isn’t Catholicism. And you get cases like Magdi Allam, magnified by the thousands. “Oh, well, all I need is to be a good Muslim, and I’m going to Heaven!” Well, this is false, and I reject the Dogmatic Constitution as it is interpreted by apostate clergy and laity who are Catholics in name, but Universalist in outlook.

      2. Sometimes people think they’re soooo smart and Enlightened that they can only move forward progressively and can never ever look back and learn from the mistakes of 300 years ago. They’d even badmouth the previous generations to who how “different” they are. Which is why they will make the same mistakes. People have no need for progress if things work out for them. So if people criticize others for “living in the 50’s” or “living in the past centuries” then maybe we’ll see each other soon enough, and you’ll wonder what happened. It’s probably stupid people doing stupid things after thinking they’re so clever. That’s usually the case in history repeating itself. This cycle of strife and turmoil and suffering will continue until Jesus comes again and we arrive at the End of Time.

      3. The Catholic Religion is destined to dominate the world and crush Her enemies, as Her heel will crush the head of the Serpent. That includes internal opposition who would rather “Go along to Get along” with error against the Faith. Those apostate and lukewarm clergy and laity will be vomited out of God’s mouth and into Hell for their error.

      4. Well, that’s only half-true. ALL of Islam is perverse, unless they amend their teaching regarding the identity of Jesus Christ and His relationship to His Father and His Church, and to condemn the error of the Qur’an in the same way the Talmud is condemned for their specifically anti-Christian doctrines. Why would you even bring up the Holocaust? You talk as if that was the first or last genocide (or attempt at genocide- because you can still find Jews who profit off that terrible event.) But rest assured, sir, in our lifetimes, there will be more genocides, because humanity is fallen. It would be stupid to not expect or think one will not be complicit in such crimes. We are all sinners and we need God, the true God worshiped by Catholics, or else no outrage is justified, for taken to its logical conclusion, respecting all religions might as well end with respect for all opinions no matter how wrong and evil they are.

      -and as for “Our Lady of Africa” it is good to pray for the Muslims. That they may convert and be saved, not so that we see them and their evil religion as equal to our glorious and Holy Church which will prevail even against the gates of Hell. It is better to tell them the truth than to tolerate a single friendly word hiding a bomb or ill will. We are out to convert Muslims that they may believe in the Divinity of Jesus Christ and His plan for our Salvation. Muhammad is a liar! A thousand curses to him and his house!

  7. John says:

    The greatest danger lies in those interfaith gabfests. Muszlims don’t enter into them honestly. The fact that a Saudi funded interfaith centres was recently opened….in Austria…. tells you all you bneed to know. Interfaith for Muslims is but a one way street as our those bridges they keep trying to build

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